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My proposal to boost ports

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I've been contemplating how ports can be boosted without turning them into an OP civ and I think I have thought of the solution.

All of their infantry cards (infantry HP, infantry attack, and infantry HP + attack) are not availible until age iv. On what rational this was designed I have no idea. I think that making the first 2 avalible in age 2 and the last availible in age 3 would really change things alot. I musket spam might have some meat to it. Also, it would allow a player to take advantage of the plethora of age iv cards that portugal has to offer.

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It would be a nice boost, they'd be better on team games too. I'd like to see the besteiros fixed too tho.

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I think my idea of giving xbows 16 damage but 24 to heavy infantry will help balance their age 2 army.

I also proposed that exact same idea on AgeSanctuary a while ago, Drew. Maybe they'll listen.
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I'm not expecting a patch anytime soon tbh.
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They said not till spring. I would assume that means May or so.
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I would give ports an extra 100 food to start, and have the the infantery combat cards moved to age 2 and 3 as suggested.
I would make besteiros 2000 wood again. Or even, make them 1500 wood and give only 15 units for the tech.

THat should do it. More boosts would make them OP for very good players.

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CM needs to be fixed though, it's too good, def for a civ like Ports
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CM is a good but very dangerous card (Its probably one of my standard cards as I play dutch and ports).
It can help you survive 1 almighty rush.
But if you dont take control of the game after that, you are dead.
It only helps against lamers, not against better players.

With these changes you improve ports early games and so you reduce the need to play CM.

I think TAD balance more than enough rewards offensive/aggressive styles of play. Only sevastopol is the turtling card that annoyes me most. I would not like this game to be an all "spam units from reaching colonial" type of game.

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Chaos, if you rush a Portuguese and call CM OP for shredding you... you need to realize that FFing with petards/map control completely obliterate a Portuguese turtle.
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[quote=""Navarone_Guy""]Chaos, if you rush a Portuguese and call CM OP for shredding you... you need to realize that FFing with petards/map control completely obliterate a Portuguese turtle.[/quote]

I didn't really say that ey
Fact is, CM is a really good card, and a civ that gets free TC's can abuse it much better than any other. If you FF, Port will take the Map controle before you btw, 3 TC's FTW
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Free TC's is the ports bonus, they should have something to compete? And CM is a good card, but lets not forget ports dont have villager cards, making them weak in colonial/early fortress.

If they try to take map control, you should always rush and level that second forward TC.

If you dont rush, just keep them of hunts. Ports are incredibly food heavy and if you make them go mills early, they will have a slow boom.

Everybody has those games with ports where you think, "Ive got through" and then another load of minutemen comes and shreds your army.
But thats just ports. You cant expect them to play the "house of braganca" card and just wait for you to kill them.

For aggressive players, CM looks like an easy way out for turtlers, but believe me, it isnt. It is only OP against people going for an all out very quick heavy infantery rush. ANd so it should be, I hate this kind of players, just build 1/2 barracks and trying to get your tc down.

It is so difficult managing your resources when your opponent is constantly circling your tc (or tc's). If they manage to keep away from your TC fire and minutemen, you are dead meat.

Good defensive play is just as difficult as good aggressive play.

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that's all good and well but beside the point tbh.
IF port early game gets boosted, it should not have 42 or 63 minute man in addition... I know CM is ok NOW as Ports need it, but with a boost it could turn into a super-lame civ
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^I wouldn't count on that happening. Ports need CM like ottos need tp's and dutch need banks.

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No because if ports were to have more age 2 options, they wouldnt have a BO including CM. Well some players would still have it, but not all.

After 15 minutes gameplay, the card isnt that good anymore, armies become a lot bigger and easier to replace.

The problem is much more in giving ports a decent age 2 game, is them becoming an op civ because of their massive boom potential.

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CM is now way OP, u have extra colonial malitia, which last 1 minute, and u can come bk a min later and kill them all, then freely seiege down their tc

and every civ needs a good strat, otherwise they are pointless.

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