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Coyotes vs. Ashi's.

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Hi,

Coming up alot against Japan alot at the moment. I was thinking of Ashi's as quick Musketeers. However, I seem to have noticed that they don't counter Coyotes as strongly as I thought they did.

They seem to do 20 melee to Coyotes. Is that right? (vs. Coyotes 18 melee)

If that's so, surely that means Ashi don't demolish Coyotes. e.g., if you have 7 Coyotes vs. 5 Ashi, which will win?

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There was once some calculation at AgeCommunity where it was proven that Coyotes cost-effectively beat ashis :)

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Well, they don't beat them due to hand resistance but they still fare pretty well, considering you'll always keep some maces backing up.

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early game they do ok, but dont wait too long or the ashi will soon one-shot-kill your coyote ;)
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Re: Coyotes vs. Ashi's.

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The thing is, ES has completely forgotten to balance heavy infantry vs. light infantry.

For example, ashi. They shred cav but not light infantry. (3.5/4.5x to cav, but 2x to light inf for no reason)

Another excellent example is qiang pikemen. They used to have 8 attack, x3 to cav and x2.3 to heavy inf. However, when ES patched it up, they now have 7 attack, x5 to cav but still x2.3 to light inf. There is NO reason for this! Why the hell doesn't ES just count light inf to be cavalry???
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Aztec vs China is auto-win for aztec.

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Yep, I was playing a ffa last night and a Japan player attacks me and is beaten back and he then announced to all: "we have a coyote/mace lamer here". hmm

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Re: Coyotes vs. Ashi's.

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Coyotes are slower than Hussar. Maybe the difference is because this is being taken into account?

Of course, if you play the age 2 Coyote upgrade card they become a little faster than Hussar, but that takes an extra card - which is no small thing.

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Well, speed doesn't make up for a weakened counter system.
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Re: Coyotes vs. Ashi's.

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coyotes have RR not MR. ashis will win cost effectively.
how does aztec auto win v china?

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Re: Coyotes vs. Ashi's.

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I find that massed coyotes will actually beat anything. They are fast, cheaper than regular cavalry, and deal more damage due to faster RoA.

If a Japan player shows up with musketeers, just mix in a few maces, as Mac said. The results are devastating.

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Qiangs deal 7*2.3 damage vs coyotes, how useful.

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Re: Coyotes vs. Ashi's.

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Haven't played against Chinese in a while. Last time, I massed Coyotes behind my TC from the start. Didn't build anything else. He rushed me and my Coyotes took his army apart - gg. Simple as that.

However, obviously, they don't just beat anything. Light Cav, Pikes, Musketeers take them apart. Only today I massed Coyotes and had them slaughtered by HI with an area effect. You still have to be sensible.

Since starting this tread I've had a chance to test Coyotes vs. Ashi's in real games. Pleased with the results. e.g., I'm raiding with 10 Coyotes and he sends over 5 Ashi. So, I just attack them. The Ashi died and I think I only lost a couple of Coyotes, if that. Worth doing.

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ashi's beat coyotes, I'm sure, you must take in account the ashi's will fire a few rounds before going into melee.
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