Best FF ?

[Kaiser_von_Nuben]

Good question. I voted for Ports just because they get such automatic economic power from a FF... immediate 3 TC is just devastating. Plus they ship in 5 mams with 1450 HP each; that's the HP of about 25 hussars. And they have double goon and cassa shipments, as well as organs. It doesn't take them long to take advantage of their 3 TCs, either, and if there's a problem, you can always call out 45 minutemen.

I am partial to German FF. I have lots of experience with it, but the slow age-up with the Marksman makes it way weaker than it used to be. Semi-FF is much stronger, because you actually can get an eco going before bombing your enemy with veteran uhlans and skirms. That is my favorite all-round 2-unit combo in the game, btw. Not because it's the best; I just know how to use it Mercs also kick butt, although the straight merc FF ain't what it used to be. It's also sort of an all-or-nothing deal, too. If the mercs die, you are in trouble.

Spanish FF used to be so awesome. I still use it in vanilla, where you age to III quicker, get 5 hussars, then send 5+4 lancers AND 2 falcs protected by rods. Now THAT kicked some Russian tail :-P

[danno527]

Definately Ports, ever tryed not FF or FI on a land only map as ports. It is about the same handicap as playing with you eyes closed, only you get to see yourself die. Sporting was the man who taught me the power of the Port FI.

[hallchr]

Ports are op simply put just look at them as the best civ.

[BenS64]

Germans, because of all those shipments, although a semi ff would be better.

[huGGy]

[quote=""Kaiser_von_Nuben""]Good question. I voted for Ports just because they get such automatic economic power from a FF... immediate 3 TC is just devastating. Plus they ship in 5 mams with 1450 HP each; that's the HP of about 25 hussars. And they have double goon and cassa shipments, as well as organs. It doesn't take them long to take advantage of their 3 TCs, either, and if there's a problem, you can always call out 45 minutemen.

I am partial to German FF. I have lots of experience with it, but the slow age-up with the Marksman makes it way weaker than it used to be. Semi-FF is much stronger, because you actually can get an eco going before bombing your enemy with veteran uhlans and skirms. That is my favorite all-round 2-unit combo in the game, btw. Not because it's the best; I just know how to use it Mercs also kick butt, although the straight merc FF ain't what it used to be. It's also sort of an all-or-nothing deal, too. If the mercs die, you are in trouble.

Spanish FF used to be so awesome. I still use it in vanilla, where you age to III quicker, get 5 hussars, then send 5+4 lancers AND 2 falcs protected by rods. Now THAT kicked some Russian tail :-P[/quote]

Grab 450 wood while aging up to Colonial with 500 food. Get a TP, 2 Houses, ship 3 SW as first card Age2 and then 2 SW or 700 gold. Just rocks.

[Soccerman771]

Very surprised only 1 person has mentioned it. But my vote would go to China.

Disc's + Monk w/upgrades combined with free armies and/or arq's is a pretty good combo. It's not OP anymore, but still quite good in the right hands..

[36drew]

I still like the old school spain FF.

[Kaiser_von_Nuben]

[quote=""36drew""]I still like the old school spain FF.[/quote]

Me too. It's just too bad you can't age quick and you don't get 9 lancers!

[Sporting_Lisbon]

The old school spain FF is like margarine, it's ok but it's not the spain FF.

[hallchr]

The German FF is pretty much like the French FF, the difference is that germans get 9+8 uhlans and 8 or 9 skirms while the French get 3 currisiers.

[GeneralMichael]

[quote=""Aaryn_GenD""]i voted for spain, since it's classic and fast plus i like the unit combos that come with it.
([/quote]

Wait I didn't know you could ff with spain, and spain is one of my best civs. It seems like it takes forever to get spain to fortress since spain I believe is the only civ not counting the asian ones without a quick age up, which is my biggest problem with spain especially in treaty.

[I__CHAOS__I]

[quote=""hallchr""]The German FF is pretty much like the French FF, the difference is that germans get 9+8 uhlans and 8 or 9 skirms while the French get 3 currisiers.[/quote]

the extra 3 free uhlans or mercs make a big difference early fortress, French can't compete

[36drew]

[quote=""hallchr""]Ports are op simply put just look at them as the best civ.[/quote]

Best FF civ maybe, worst civ overall.... true also LOL. Maybe that speaks volumes for gameplay ATM. FF is just not viable, and the only civ that has a deecent FF has the worst win% out of any of them.

Ports are brutal, but fun as hell to play.

[Kaiser_von_Nuben]

[quote=""hallchr""]The German FF is pretty much like the French FF, the difference is that germans get 9+8 uhlans and 8 or 9 skirms while the French get 3 currisiers.[/quote]

It's actually 7+8 skirms, but the 3 free uhlans per shipment more than make up for it. And if you want serious RI support, save your money and send in the Jaegers (250 HP, 40% RR, 30 attack, X2 v. HI) ! You get 13 of them! Just add some cav or anti-cav and go rock n' roll.

[Aaryn_GenD]

[quote=""GeneralMichael""]
Wait I didn't know you could ff with spain, and spain is one of my best civs. It seems like it takes forever to get spain to fortress since spain I believe is the only civ not counting the asian ones without a quick age up, which is my biggest problem with spain especially in treaty.[/quote]


spain ff is strong because they get shipments faster than other civs.
they can easily send two 700res crates in colonial, or spare that one for fortress.