Some serious issues being discussed here.
Homosexuals are just people like you, me and everbody else. They dont choose to become homosexual, you are born that way. Most homosexuals are raised by heterosexuals and denying the nature of their sexuality only leads to depressions, suicide and wasted human lives. It just happens, just like being being lefthanded or having red hair. Nobodoy chosses to be g a y.
Can they raise children. Of course they can. In an ideal world every child would live a happy life with mom and dad. But how many children are raised by single parents, or have to go through several divorces, or have parents with drugs addiction, alcohol, or are born in total poverty. If a single mom or dad can raise a child, why cant two moms or dads? I don’t think it has any influence on what sexuality these children will have later. Most homosexual people will want their children to lead a happy life according to their own desires.
In a modern society people can accepts differences and give everybody a chance to life a live according to their own desires, interests and wishes. Homosexuals have those rights to. The can have long term relationships to they can marry. For the law. They can buy houses together. They can adopt children.
For the not so g a y minded, we will talk again when one of your family turns out to be homosexual (about 10% chance for male, 5% for female?). You will want them to live a happy life.
I believe everybody is born free. Free to do what he wants an as he chooses. But at the same we live together with other humans, on an organised way, we call it society. The basic rule of society is that we share common rules and values, created to give anybody the opportunity on a free happy life.
Governement is a way to organise your practical, legal issues. It is of common interest everybody accepts these rules. We have a system called democracy, where every human has 1 vote to define those rules. My rule for society is "your freedom ends where the freedom of another peron begins". Thats how I live my life.
Religion is a way to organise moral issues and values. These values are much more of personal than communal interest. They will have a much bigger influence on your life than governement and laws will ever have. Because of that more personal impact, people have many different views on religion / moral issues. History has learned that imposing 1 set of values is almost impossible and wil always lead to the oppresion of individuals and groups with a different view on life. (look at the difficulties at defining basic human rights - people in eastern or arabic countries sometimes have different views on basic human rights, because they are defined by our western world standards).
So we have given individuals the freedom to choose their religion, to define their own values.
I find it very worrying and threatening that some moral majorities, or religions or individuals around the world refuse to accepts this and will do anything to impose their way of life on the rest of the world.
There is nothing wrong with religion, but for me it is a private matter. As are other issues such as abortion, being homosexual. In some of these cases, the governement has to make a stance on these issues, because of vastly different views between members of society. Differences that can lead to violence, murder. For me people should be free to choose for abortion, IVF, and even death within the limits set by the government. I don’t know when life begins. At the moment of conception? After a few months in the womb? When a baby can live on his own? From birth? I don’t know. I don’t think anybody knows. We can all have an opinion. And we should try and find some common ground on this.
And sometimes you have to accept that your opinion isn’t accepted by the vast majority of society. If a religion chooses not to give homosexuals marriage they can do that. Religion is a personal individual choice matter. (I was raised a catholic and went from 3-18 years to a very strict catholic school, so I know my bible things). But if society decides to accept g a y rights, religion has to accept this. No person has a claim to being more "correct" than another because he thinks he gets his views from the bible or koran.
Respect your neighbour as long as he respects you.
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on Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:07 pm, edited 1 time in total.