Dutch balance.

[thanster]

yea, but then all i can play with is clanmates.... all my other mates dont have it either

[36drew]

[quote=""JBCaesar""]:-D drew, did you have this thoughts after our game a few days ago?

I don't think Dutch are to strong...I totally agree with sporting, it is very
difficult for an Dutch player to win when he is not able to make a fast fortress,
for example versus India our Iro.

I think that it is true, that the dutch are maybe the strongest civ in mid game, but every civ needs a advantage...you can't play late game with dutch, the most civs have a much stronger economy than.

Maybe I only got these impressions, because I like to play Dutch, but hopefully I appreciated impartially.[/quote]

I actually watched that game the other day from your perspective... it was actually a lot closer than I thought. If only I had notice your villagers had gone north to the gold mine and you had your artillery foundation sitting up there. I wouldn't have had to worry about TC fire and building placement... and when 7 falcs showed up against my 3 culvs and you killed 2 of them ASAP.... well.... it was a veryGG.

[etrips888]

[quote=""thanster""]yea, but then all i can play with is clanmates.... all my other mates dont have it either [/quote]

It's pretty easy to switch back and forth..takes 5 minutes at most

[thanster]

once u have fan patch installed you can still play normally???

[generalbuschmann]

of course you can change patch with the patch launcher

[thanster]

i was looking at instructions....... im computer illiterate so im afraid do mess with it

[ckei]

[quote=""thanster""]i was looking at instructions....... im computer illiterate so im afraid do mess with it [/quote]

Dont worry its not that hard. Even I managed to get the fp working with a"little" help from aaryn_gend

I understand you 100%.When the guys start talking about proxys,mobos and god knows what,it sound more like they are building a spaceship decorated with pink flowers

[murdilator]

Dutch can be a bit too good at some points, but it is really how you play them that makes a significant difference. If you build up a large army, attack, fall back a little, rebuild massive army--then you will win against any civ as Dutch. Another way to beat Dutch is to play as Britain and mass Lbows. They, even in Vanilla, chew anything a Dutch player can send at you. Just have a small meatshield of anticav and you are fine.

But on Ruyters, perhaps, as Stroky Blofield put it, increase their cost by 5 food (35 food, 75 coin), and increase train time by 2 or 3 seconds. And the ideas about Ruyters not auto-upgrading are just brilliant. Nothing has come close to those yet. Give these, and (forgive me if I'm wrong; I play Dutch on Vanilla) let excessive taxation give a 35%-50% gathering rate boost to banks, if it already doesn't. (In Vanilla it gives a 50% gathering boost; no +2 bank addition, but eco is pretty good).

2.35 + 50% = 3.525
vs.
2.75 + 35% = 3.7125
vs.
2.75 + 50% = 4.125


regards,


murdilator

[generalbuschmann]

lbows beat dutch? is this a joke

[deadhanddan]

longbow when massed will pretty much kill anything dutch can make with the exception of MASSED heavy artilery or pure hussar spamming. all that is needed in these casses is a bit of anti cav or a couple culverin. 26 range 4.4 speed longbow>20 range 3.95 speed skirm

heck massed longbow can even kill a few falcs if enough bows are present

[gendarme]

Longbow > skirm

[generalbuschmann]

why use skirm vs lbow just use ruyter falc hussar combo

[deadhanddan]

longbow-goon-culv > ruyter-huss-falc

[generalbuschmann]

well brits wont do a semi ff only to get this combo and even if, the dutch combo is early on better, because of the costs, then brits early fortress

[36drew]

[quote=""deadhanddan""]longbow-goon-culv > ruyter-huss-falc[/quote]

I used this combo yesterday vs. lb goon rocket.

Game went to Imp. LOL. Just a nasty combo.