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An impressive detailed account of who was pulling the strings with regards 2 the mess still ongoing in Irak told by the people that could have made a diference.

click here. U need a torrent client like Vuze or microtorrent to downlaod this viruz free Avi video file.

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Care to give a breif synopsis?
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done bro, my bad

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PS watch it soccer ull like it. It is rather 1 sided but well made I found.
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If I read it right, it basically says that the US knew how to take over the country, but did not know how to run the country once we had "control"....

I do have to say though, that if any country could have done it "right" it would have been the US. I have never understood why we didn't have a plan to replace the government with a legitimate one directly after we toppled Saddam. Did it take less time to "win" the war than we thought it would?
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I think Bush was just trying to finish his dad's legacy so the main mission was basically taking out Saddam. I think he left the details up to the other staff members who really had no idea wth we were attacking Iraq for anyway. At least Poland helped.
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Among the lies told by the Bush administration was the one told by Rumsfeld when he said the occupation would be measured in months, not years. When the early edicts like dissolving the government and de-bathification were announced it was further proof that they lied all along.

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[quote=""Macabee""]Among the lies told by the Bush administration was the one told by Rumsfeld when he said the occupation would be measured in months, not years. When the early edicts like dissolving the government and de-bathification were announced it was further proof that they lied all along.

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Go back 200 years and find me an administration that hasn't lied to the American people.
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Thats not the point. Its not a question of "2 lie or not 2 lie". Its a question of "lets lie but get away with it". Or at least "lets lie and let the lie stand for 50 years until the Top Secret logo is removed from the files".

This documentary, 2 keep the post from heading down the beer ally, clearly shows that there is no real intention of getting the country back on track. People were nominated. Lots of people were nominated. Lots of good hard working people were nominated 2 get that country back on track. Problem is they should have planned things with a little more time. The real problem is that these same people were simply not allowed 2 fullfill their functions. Its this fact that is worrying.

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PS the movie is from 2007 so it will be in most DVD stores 4 rental (although u can "rent" it from the above mentioned link)
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Available on netflix for all you netflix users.
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Have u seen it then Rascal?

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Nope. I just looked it up to see if it was available.
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[quote=""Soccerman771""][quote=""Macabee""]Among the lies told by the Bush administration was the one told by Rumsfeld when he said the occupation would be measured in months, not years. When the early edicts like dissolving the government and de-bathification were announced it was further proof that they lied all along.

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Go back 200 years and find me an administration that hasn't lied to the American people.[/quote]


Hmm, I can only go back 200 years. I guess that rules out Washington I suppose, since 1809 is the earliest I can go.... Off hand, I can't think of any lies told by Lincoln, do you know of any?

I think it's notable that the bush administration lied to such a pathological degree, that catching them telling the truth is truly an outstanding feat.

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Lincoln had some lies involving slave abolishment in northern states if I remember correctly.
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[quote=""hallchr""]I think Bush was just trying to finish his dad's legacy so the main mission was basically taking out Saddam. I think he left the details up to the other staff members who really had no idea wth we were attacking Iraq for anyway. At least Poland helped.[/quote]

So did Iceland.

I am AFK until Tuesday, but I will have to check this out when I get back to my Chicago supercomputer. :D

As far as lying in government goes, it's all part of the trade. Machiavelli is the man when it comes to determining whether it's advisable to break your word. It is a question of pure, brute power. Unfortunately, all too often every ethical principle dissolves when placed under sufficient pressure, or eliminated by payment of a suitable price.

If it is more profitable to lie, there will be lies. If it costs more money to tell the truth than to lie, there will be lies. This is simple cost-benefit analysis, not subtle ethical reasoning. Sometimes it is less costly to tell the truth if a discovered lie will cost more in the long run. But in that case, the motivation to tell the truth is not principle, but the desire to avoid financial loss.
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Wow Sporting I am super impressed. Yes, in fact slavery is technically still legal within certain parts of the United States, which is really ironic since Lincoln is one of the presidents that Obama looks up to most.

Honestly, as I poke my head around outside this little shell bubble of a world that I live in, I really don't know, and by that i mean know, all that much. To quote the fantabulous Al Pacino, I'm no judge and jury. I think that to say anyone is definately a liar is a pretty large step to take. Maybe Bush honestly believes he was doing the right thing, maybe even rumsfeld too. In the same way, I hope Obama is trying to do the right thing and I believe he is.

What I do know is that I lie an awful lot, even when I don't really need to, in order to get things that I want. If I was in a place of power, I'm pretty dam sure I would do things in much the same fashion to some degree at least. maybe that makes me an evil ba$t@rd

So on the one hand, I think it is important to try to put leaders into power who do the right thing, but if we all spend more time worrying about what a few people are doing right or wrong, then we completely ignore what we ourselves are doing right and wrong. There is a lot of stuff we can not control, and even fewer things we can fix by pointing fingers. But the ripple effect of an individual acting in service to those around him spreads like nothing I have seen.
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