Happy Thanksgiving

[Saint]

[cleeduz]

Happy Thanksgiving!

@ Rascal --- Good luck in your annual matchup, don't forget to use that Turkey Scout!

[GeneralMichael]

Happy thanksgiving.
If it was not for the native americans helping us to survive there might not have been an America to help fight in the World Wars and then Germany might have won. Then how do we repay them back? Couple hundred years later we steal thier land and force them to move west on the trail of tears

[Kaiser_von_Nuben]

[quote=""GeneralMichael""]Happy thanksgiving.
If it was not for the native americans helping us to survive there might not have been an America to help fight in the World Wars and then Germany might have won. Then how do we repay them back? Couple hundred years later we steal thier land and force them to move west on the trail of tears[/quote]

So true. The treatment of native Americans is the second terrible stain on this country (slavery is the first). Worst of all, no one ever tells the natives' stories. I grew up in a town in New England where the first ever Indian massacre took place in 1637. Yeah, it was all fine and dandy and turkey dinners in 1621, but 16 years later the English were slaughtering their "friends." The crazy thing is that there are Indian names all over the place, yet the people who originally gave the names are all dead. Someone needs to do a comprehensive documentary about all the native populations from coast to coast. But this will be a difficult task, because there are very few records, and it's not like you can interview the natives; they are all dead.

At least in AOE3 you can take some cyber-revenge on the Euros... go Iros! :-P

[hallchr]

Let's all play Iros today in memory of the Native Americans.

[Soccerman771]

Happy Thanksgiving to all.

[GeneralMichael]

[quote=""Kaiser_von_Nuben""][quote=""GeneralMichael""]Happy thanksgiving.
If it was not for the native americans helping us to survive there might not have been an America to help fight in the World Wars and then Germany might have won. Then how do we repay them back? Couple hundred years later we steal thier land and force them to move west on the trail of tears[/quote]

So true. The treatment of native Americans is the second terrible stain on this country (slavery is the first). Worst of all, no one ever tells the natives' stories. I grew up in a town in New England where the first ever Indian massacre took place in 1637. Yeah, it was all fine and dandy and turkey dinners in 1621, but 16 years later the English were slaughtering their "friends." The crazy thing is that there are Indian names all over the place, yet the people who originally gave the names are all dead. Someone needs to do a comprehensive documentary about all the native populations from coast to coast. But this will be a difficult task, because there are very few records, and it's not like you can interview the natives; they are all dead.

At least in AOE3 you can take some cyber-revenge on the Euros... go Iros! :-P[/quote]

Though you know I think the natives got the last laugh. Since we are not allowed to run a casino but any native american can start one, since congress made a treaty or whatever with the natives years ago, thereby inadvertinely saying they are like another country. So now they can all get rich off of the people addicted to gambling

[Kaiser_von_Nuben]

Though you know I think the natives got the last laugh. Since we are not allowed to run a casino but any native american can start one, since congress made a treaty or whatever with the natives years ago, thereby inadvertinely saying they are like another country. So now they can all get rich off of the people addicted to gambling[/quote]

Yes, there is a mega-casino in my hometown called Foxwoods, which is supposedly populated by the descendants of the Pequot tribe wiped out by the British in the 17th Century. The problem is, all the Pequots died. Those who claim Pequot ancestry are largely all forgers. They just smelled an opportunity and exploited it.

When it comes to native treaties, the Trail of Tears comes to mind. In 1835, the Supreme Court said Congress could not ignore a treaty made between the U.S. and the Cherokee. Andrew Jackson said: "Oh yeah? Watch this." Then he threw all the Cherokee off their lands. The Supreme Court did nothing. What was it going to do? Write an opinion about the President? The President has the guns. It all goes to show how weak the Supreme Court really is; and how much the white man cared about holding his word with the natives.

[Aravinthan]

Wasn't ThanksGiving at the beggining of november or in october?

[Blackadderthe4th]

God I love how you are blaming all these atrocities on the 'English'. The 'English' as you like to lump the British forces into, made a conscious effort, not only in America, but also in other countries to not wipe out indigenous peoples. But as soon as we leave look what happens. Just look at the efforts made in Australia by the Government to not wipe out the Aborigine's despite the wishes of the settlers. Thanks to their efforts Aborigine's still roam there free today. I'm sure the American settlers were dead against the massacres and not the driving force behind it seeing greater trade and land opportunities.

[Kaiser_von_Nuben]

[quote=""Blackadderthe4th""]God I love how you are blaming all these atrocities on the 'English'. The 'English' as you like to lump the British forces into, made a conscious effort, not only in America, but also in other countries to not wipe out indigenous peoples. But as soon as we leave look what happens. Just look at the efforts made in Australia by the Government to not wipe out the Aborigine's despite the wishes of the settlers. Thanks to their efforts Aborigine's still roam there free today. I'm sure the American settlers were dead against the massacres and not the driving force behind it seeing greater trade and land opportunities.[/quote]

I surely don't mean it as a slight to modern-day Britain. Today, the British are among the most forbearing major powers on the planet. Maybe it would be more accurate in this case to say the "Puritan New England settlers" wiped out the Pequot and Narragansett tribes in the 17th Century. Nonetheless, these settlers had authority and backing from the British crown to conduct at least two genocidal wars: (1) The Pequot War in 1637; and (2) King Philip's War in 1675-1676. And we all know that the Americans became the worst Indian killers out there after they achieved independence in 1776.

The Dutch tried to kill Indians near New Amsterdam, but wound up taking a pounding from the Iroquois, who became fast friends--believe it or not--with the British after they conquered New York. The Iroquois hated the French, fought for the British in the French & Indian Wars, then turned on George Washington in the Revolutionary War. They thought they'd get better treatment from the British than the colonists. Unfortunately, Washington went on the warpath and slaughtered thousands of them as revenge for several Iroquois raids on colonists' towns in Massachusetts.

Bottom line: It's an ugly history that many Americans know nothing about.

[Crazy]

[quote=""Aravinthan""]Wasn't ThanksGiving at the beggining of november or in october?[/quote]
Canadian turkey day is in early october, American thanksgiving is today...have a good one guys

[Aravinthan]

Oh ok-.-,
I am a bit slow today, not my fault i have the cold xD

And by the way my sig owns urs crazy xD

and for people wondering who is 19 Sivaneswaran, its me xD

[hallchr]

Such good information about old British colonial policies. I'm not a history major because there is no money in it but my favorite subject is in fact history.

[IndyBrit]

All history is ugly. The "peaceful" are just the people that want to call timeout in the middle of the game after they win a round. OK - let's call peace and everybody keep what they have now that I have mine. Until the whole world figures out how to operate within a single legal authority and all competition occurs in economics and other peaceful fields, this will continue to be the case.

We did take the land from the Natives and killed many of them. They, in turn, stood on land that they had taken from others and killed. We're not going to give it back, we would have to take it from others who legitimately hold it now and did not wrong others to take it. Thus we have set up a system where an injustice has been committed and cannot be corrected (which is itself probably an injustice). Many others are guilty of the same circumstance, since much of the world is inhabited by past conquerors (probably all, but I don't want to make such a broad statement without further thought on the matter).

It is useful to study this because many people do not know the history and what was done to create this country (and many other countries). However, I don't think self-flagellation or some sort of collective guilt are useful unless we're going to DO something about it, which we're not. I do think we should know what was done and dedicate ourselves to never treating people like that again.