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Discuss Implications of these Stats?

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:59 am
by 36drew
http://70.72.80.26/eso2/weeklysupremacytad.php

I know some people blab on about certain civs being UP/OP/balanced, etc. Thoughts?

Re: Discuss Implications of these Stats?

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:20 am
by Sporting_Lisbon
Is it for everyone? If yes, it doesn't matter much as it will only show the easiest and hardest civs to play with.

Re: Discuss Implications of these Stats?

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:27 am
by Kaiser_von_Nuben
Very interesting. Well, it looks like the Aztecs and the Indians have a major edge, more so than the overall statistics page would suggest. There were a few other noteworthy points: (1) Native settlers have higher survivability than all others...even more than SWs; wonder why? Don't the Iros, Sioux and Aztecs get raided? (2) Old-line mercs (ie, Jaegers) have significantly higher survival rates than regular units; (3) Ashigarus have an extremely high survival rate considering how many are made and compared to regular muskets; (4) Abus didn't do as well as I expected; (5) uhlans are more likely to die than strelets :neutral: ; (6) Xbows and pikes are pretty lousy in the life expectancy department; (7) Bowriders are awesome and rarely die; and (8) hussars died more than I expected.

Also, I found it funny that CKNs outlived skirmishers!

Re: Discuss Implications of these Stats?

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:40 am
by Soccerman771
How is the petard not at the bottom?

Re: Discuss Implications of these Stats?

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:48 am
by Tubruk
[quote=""Soccerman771""]How is the petard not at the bottom?[/quote]

he used them to raid ;)

Re: Discuss Implications of these Stats?

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:12 am
by TheRam
TOLD YA INDIA > JAP IN OP LAMENESS.
ohohohohoh.
+1 for Cammel!

Re: Discuss Implications of these Stats?

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:09 am
by Tatltael
i hate russia so much

Re: Discuss Implications of these Stats?

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:09 pm
by Sporting_Lisbon
Dear Cammel, go check if they're playing India in WCG.

Re: Discuss Implications of these Stats?

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:15 pm
by Kaiser_von_Nuben
[quote=""Tatltael""]i hate russia so much[/quote]

Russia tradtionally gets the highest win % overall. I attribute this to the ease with which a relatively unskilled player can overrun opponents at the lower ranks. I remember when I first played QS as a very nooby Corporal, I won 15 straight just spamming strels and cossacks from an FB. I think that happens a lot, and that is why Russia always has a singificantly higher win % than other standard civs.

And late game they get even stronger. Overall, their individual units really stink. They always get killed a lot more than they kill. But the strength is in the spammage... and take your eye off the mini-map for one second and oprichs might obliterate your entire economy. That's how they do it.

Re: Discuss Implications of these Stats?

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:42 pm
by I__CHAOS__I
these stats are useless imho
people pick their opponents sometimes, refuse match-ups or only lame counter civs etc...
I stopped caring about that a long time ago :)

Re: Discuss Implications of these Stats?

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:14 pm
by 36drew
[quote=""Sporting_Lisbon""]Is it for everyone? If yes, it doesn't matter much as it will only show the easiest and hardest civs to play with.[/quote]

Well, the easyness of a civ to play would contribute to it be OP, wouldn't it?

Re: Discuss Implications of these Stats?

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:20 pm
by cleeduz
I think it's odd, that the native civs do not have many people using them, but their win %'s are among the best. Just an observation...

Re: Discuss Implications of these Stats?

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:23 pm
by 36drew
[quote=""cleeduz""]I think it's odd, that the native civs do not have many people using them, but their win %'s are among the best. Just an observation...[/quote]

Interesting indeed...

Re: Discuss Implications of these Stats?

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:33 pm
by Kaiser_von_Nuben
[quote=""36drew""][quote=""cleeduz""]I think it's odd, that the native civs do not have many people using them, but their win %'s are among the best. Just an observation...[/quote]

Interesting indeed...[/quote]

My explanation: 10+9 maces, coyote combat, 6 pumas, 2 free skulls, converted guardians, 5 coyotes built, 5 coyotes shipped, attack at 5:40; if they're still alive, mass coyotes and maces, send 3 priests, do a war dance. GG.

Re: Discuss Implications of these Stats?

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:35 pm
by Sporting_Lisbon
[quote=""36drew""][quote=""Sporting_Lisbon""]Is it for everyone? If yes, it doesn't matter much as it will only show the easiest and hardest civs to play with.[/quote]

Well, the easyness of a civ to play would contribute to it be OP, wouldn't it?[/quote]

Russia's easier to play for a corporal than Japan laming because they don't even know of it, that's what I mean.