Iro (and sioux) fighting on water maps

[I__CHAOS__I]

how do you fight a defensive civ that booms on the water (like Ports...) ?
Those little canoes are ok at killing fishing boats, but r crappy against euro warships and TC/Tower/blockhut fire.

Iro has the waterdance card, but I find that it's not practical at all, you still need some warships and lots of dancers which is a big investment in age II.

the 3 pirate ships for 500 gold might be a solid option, but when do you gather the coin for it... Iro needs to maintain the pressure on land.

the 2 war canoes shipment is a joke, they are no match for a caravel

:roll:

[Navarone_Guy]

Without OP tlaloc canoes, nobody stands a chance against a Port water boom. They just send 2 caravels, line the water with TCs, turtle, and boom. It's one of the lamest, most OP things I've ever seen.

The only thing that even stands the slightest chance is a FF cannon spam with lots of heavy inf and cavalry. Just take him down before his econ becomes too monstrous.

[I__CHAOS__I]

[quote=""Navarone_Guy""]
The only thing that even stands the slightest chance is a FF cannon spam [/quote]

and how do I do that with Iro or sioux ... :?

[Navarone_Guy]

Well, the Sioux alternative would be siege dance and Iroquois have mantlets and rams.

[Sporting_Lisbon]

Iro has little chance vs port on water, to compensate that Iro owns port on land :\

[Navarone_Guy]

Yeah, but then the Port just sits there, booms, and hides behind his lame CM clump of TCs.

[Sporting_Lisbon]

Land? Not really, agrarian ways alongside free market wood upgrades allows you to outboom ports. Not to mention ur supposed to be harassing all the time.

[Navarone_Guy]

You can't exactly harass fishing ships...

[I__CHAOS__I]

[quote=""Navarone_Guy""]You can't exactly harass fishing ships...[/quote]

but you wont have to on land maps

[Sporting_Lisbon]

Maybe a strong rush might work, but there's no hope vs port on water for iro.

[I__CHAOS__I]

think I will do a 6 nations FF, at least it's fun and has some booming power (TC + 10 vills & AW)

[I__CHAOS__I]

sporting, I saw u lost as ports vs iro on a great water map, what went wrong?

[Sun_Tzu1]

Busted :p

[Sporting_Lisbon]

My macro management. He shipped 3 privateers and sieged my second tc with his colo toma/aenna combo. I eventually won water but hadn't hunts and I'm bad at managing a lot of stuff together, as he was a colonel he broke my ports easily.

[EndlessPower]

Native trading post and spamming canoes?

(A guy once screwed my india like that in a 3on3 where I was also india and kept pushing as he water boomed with a crap of canoes from the native alliance. His two allies kept defending until he screwed me totaly with his canoes and later stronger warships.)