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Vs fast rush?

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 3:12 pm
by Sporting_Lisbon
China loses to a simple iro rush so hard it's not even funny. Any ideas for BO's that can make china defense a lil faster?

Re: Vs fast rush?

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 3:26 pm
by I__CHAOS__I
call out your MM as soon as he ages and sent them to the middle of the map to kill fwd WH? Possibly combined with the card where they dont lose HP (also gives your TC + 50% which will be useful to kill the rush)
just an idea

Re: Vs fast rush?

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 3:28 pm
by Sporting_Lisbon
Hm. The issue with china is that you get 200f 300w always, so you won't have 100 coin for the mm. But it's a possibility, I could gather it.

Re: Vs fast rush?

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 3:44 pm
by I__CHAOS__I
usually small coin treasures are rather easy to find

How fast can china age up with the 300 food?

Re: Vs fast rush?

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 3:48 pm
by Sporting_Lisbon
Normal age up that all euro civs get, around 4:30 I think. Yes, small coin treasures are good.

Re: Vs fast rush?

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:44 pm
by Navarone_Guy
Now you know how impossible it is to face your Iro with China. :D

I've found that old han works somewhat decently, with shipped 7 steppe later for those damn aenna and the warchief. You really have to out-micro the Iro guy, as it's a damn tough matchup.

Re: Vs fast rush?

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:03 pm
by Sporting_Lisbon
I hope this is the only impossible matchup besides aztec? ^^

Re: Vs fast rush?

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:17 pm
by Navarone_Guy
Heh, don't forget Russia. Their strelet/cossack combo beats the crap out of China. You have to kill them before they even age to colonial - otherwise, you lose.

Re: Vs fast rush?

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:48 pm
by Sporting_Lisbon
Really? I beat a russian player quite easily. I built in my base tho, instead of getting an fb. Got some discs, waited for the 3ckn+2stp to come from wonder and beat the cos/strel/musk quite easily. He could have been noob tho

Re: Vs fast rush?

Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:23 am
by Soccerman771
Well, I don't have a lot of experience playing at the colonel level, but at mine, I find the same thing that Nav says. I'll also say that the russian will get map control if you build in your base w/china. The only problem I see w/china vs russia is mass steppe riders (which is hard to accomplish).

Re: Vs fast rush?

Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:44 am
by Navarone_Guy
I have another civ to add to the list: India. China doesn't stand a chance against them. Then again, few civs do...

Re: Vs fast rush?

Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:52 am
by Sporting_Lisbon
Yes, India is tough too. What about Japs, what do you do vs them?

Re: Vs fast rush?

Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:03 am
by I__CHAOS__I
go back to your iro rushing, less worries ;)

Re: Vs fast rush?

Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:18 am
by Sporting_Lisbon
But more fun :D

Re: Vs fast rush?

Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:03 am
by Navarone_Guy
I actually find Japan very easy to beat. They always go nothing but ashi, which can be hit and run with CKN very easily while the qiang burn down their shrines. If they ever happen to make yumi, just send 7 steppe. I find Japan to be one of my few "free win" opponents.