Ask-A-BO !

[I__CHAOS__I]

I've had several pm's lately asking how I get some units out at a certain time (like 20 jans sub 6 min, kalmucks at 8', french musket rush etc..)

the answer is simple: tight build orders. (doesn't mean it's always good)

I believe that good BO's really help to get in the game in a good position early on, although it's not recommended to do em blindly, it sure helps to learn about eco management and optimization of resources and time.
Once you know and master that, you can learn to adapt and anticipate to reach a higher level (which players like drew, sporting, nav etc... do)

So what is this about?
Well, I like tinkering out strats & BO's and I got a bunch already for almost all civs, so feel free to ask me for a BO you want for the civ you want. I'll try my best to deliver decent BO's.

who?
this is mainly for players sub 1Lt level, as it helps them the most.
In addition, you must be an active N3O member I know.
Shame on you if you aren't :twisted:

I'll see how this goes and hopefully it will help some of ya.
Just start a new "Ask-A-BO" topic and motivate what your request is.
(preferably for a civ you already play)

example: you like to rush hard with otto but never get enough jans out on time cuz you're always short on food and housed.

cheers

PS: I'm sure there are some other clannies who like making BO's as well, feel free to join in and help

[Hydrovert5]

1V1 Aztec coyote and mace rush.

Yes, even at my level I need advice.

Tutor me.

[Sporting_Lisbon]

Imho the BO goes like this:

Firepit - get wp on xp dance;

Age with 15 vills, 3 vill first card. Go with 2 sk poli.

While aging get like 6 vills on wood. Send another 2 vills forward and as soon as you get 250w start getting your war hut up.

As soon as you age ship 10 maces, queue vills.

Build a house, if you don't have enough wood get a couple more vills on wood.

Queue Coyotes on the war hut as soon as it is built.

Keep vill production and coyote production. Scout to check what the other guy's doing. If he has nothing or has cav, ship 6 puma to siege or to get the cav; if he has a decent army ship 9 maces.

Attack.


That's it, I think. Any aztec players out there feel free to add whatever they want to this standard build order.

[Nighthawk22]

...please excuse this noobish question...what's a BO? :?

[36drew]

[quote=""Nighthawk22""]...please excuse this noobish question...what's a BO? :?[/quote]

Build order.

[Kaiser_von_Nuben]

[quote=""Nighthawk22""]...please excuse this noobish question...what's a BO? :?[/quote]

No, it's not "body odor"... it's a "build order!" :-P

[huGGy]

[quote=""Sporting_Lisbon""]Imho the BO goes like this:

Firepit - get wp on xp dance;

Age with 15 vills, 3 vill first card. Go with 2 sk poli.

While aging get like 6 vills on wood. Send another 2 vills forward and as soon as you get 250w start getting your war hut up.

As soon as you age ship 10 maces, queue vills.

Build a house, if you don't have enough wood get a couple more vills on wood.

Queue Coyotes on the war hut as soon as it is built.

Keep vill production and coyote production. Scout to check what the other guy's doing. If he has nothing or has cav, ship 6 puma to siege or to get the cav; if he has a decent army ship 9 maces.

Attack.


That's it, I think. Any aztec players out there feel free to add whatever they want to this standard build order.[/quote]

6 vills on Wood isn't enough imo. You need 250 for the warhut and 100 for your first house. You're housed as soon as you hit Age2 because of the skull knights. Try to put 9 Vills on Wood and send to forward. 4 on Food is enough. After you collected 250 wood you can swith 2-3 Vills to Food.

[IndyBrit]

This is good.

I think of a BO as like an opening book in chess. Until you make contact, it's just a good way not to screw up. Once you make contact, you have to respond accordingly.

Anyway - anyone want to weigh in on a super-fast OP Iro tomahawk rush? Is it still OP?

[Tatltael]

@indy yeah its kind of op

also i posted a rough outline for a sioux FI if anyone wants to know

[IndyBrit]

Sorry Tatl. I wasn't just asking if it was still OP, I also wanted a BO.

ASAP.

JK - but I wanted to add another acronym - got another one in FTW.

[Sporting_Lisbon]

It's not exactly a toma rush but:

If you got 300w start, build a tp. Use travois for house.

First card, 3 vills. Age with 15 vills, fast up poli. Get some vills on wood to get a longhouse and assure toma production.

Queue vills. Get the travois forward and as soon as it starts building ship 4 kanya asap. All new vills go to wood.

Queue 5 tomas. Use the 4 kanyas to raid and keep him in tc. Keep vill production.

Scout what he got. No army, ship 6 tomas. Some army, ship 7 aennas. Queue 5 tomas, don't forget vill production. Go raid with all ya got.

Got a cool, bigger army than his heh? just crush him. Don't forget your warchief in a corner of the map, use the shot, protect the kanyas wisely, get your aennas shooting HI, engage your tomas on melee (14 atk ftw) whenever necessary.

And that's it If you need more army, you ship 6 aennas, if you have the situation controlled you can ship Town destroyer, if he still lives ship 5 vills to keep up the boom.

[I__CHAOS__I]

+ tommy BB

[Sporting_Lisbon]

I forgot to tell that. When you need to get the 3rd longhouse you'll get your res imbalanced with a lot of food and 0 wood, that's when you use bb.

[Soccerman771]

[quote=""Sporting_Lisbon""]If you got 300w start, build a tp.[/quote]

This is now the second time I've seen someone give this advice. Why the TP? Why not a firepit or market? Are there other civs where you would build a TP first w/300 wood start and chop 50 wood for house?

[I__CHAOS__I]

the TP is really helpful because you can use your starting travois for a longhouse so you don't waste time chopping extra wood.

the extra xp is very useful to keep your military mass big or to get eco advantage (5+4 vil cards)