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The JAM! (by ES_WaCkO_)

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:07 pm
by I__CHAOS__I
http://forum.agecommunity.com/forums/thread/615047.aspx

The JAM! - Japanese Ashigaru Massacre



To start all of your villagers to berries and set your shrines set to produce food



Your 1st card depends on the map:

Water Map: 3 Fishing Boats
Land Map (big treasures): +50% Attack and HP for monks
Land Map (little treasures): +15% Berry gather rate

Once you're around 13/14 villagers (depending on treasures) start making the Torii Gates wonder, but be sure to keep constant villager production constant.

Once construction of the wonder begins every villager that comes out during aging will go to gold, also change your shrines to produce wood.
After the wonder is finished build a Barracks with your Military Rickshaw and send the 600 wood card.
Build plenty of Ashigaru musketeers and use them to harass your opponent, you 3rd card will be the 5 Ashigaru card.

From here on out it's about adapting to your opponent.



If he's sitting back in his base you want to shrine boom and get all the market upgrades you can afford.

If he's spamming ranged infantry you want to get a stable up ASAP and build Naginata riders.


A good card order usually looks something like this:

+15% Berry Gather
600 Wood
5 Ashigaru
4 Villagers
+20% Ashigaru Attack

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I find it a very poor strat description as it's basically saying: age up and spam musks :roll: but some might find it useful...
I expected more from a great player like WaCkO

Re: The JAM! (by ES_WaCkO_)

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:00 pm
by Comadevil
well nothing new and without real inspiration.
1st card could also be TP rickshaw , nstead of 600 wood u could also get 4 shrines to get faster pop space etc

Re: The JAM! (by ES_WaCkO_)

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:06 pm
by KingKaramazov
Oh of course, what a "strategy," basically do what every other Japanese player under PR 29 does.

Re: The JAM! (by ES_WaCkO_)

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:18 pm
by Navarone_Guy
Wow...

Berry bushes? What an idiot. They run out quickly and gather slowly. Orchards are FAR better. Why not utilize them?

Ashigaru are standard.

Berry bush gathering as first card? What the hell? 600 wood? How would that help in an ashigaru spam? Why not send 5 ashigaru twice? 4 villagers is also a worthless card unless you're booming, and you can't boom while spamming ashigaru.

I thought this guy was good? Then again, he IS an ES employee...

Re: The JAM! (by ES_WaCkO_)

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:24 pm
by I__CHAOS__I
best is to split between berry bushes and orchards to avoid bumping, both have same gather rate imo

Re: The JAM! (by ES_WaCkO_)

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:31 pm
by blayzer13
cherries got better gather rate, at least thats what i heard

Re: The JAM! (by ES_WaCkO_)

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:49 pm
by Comadevil
[quote=""blayzer13""]cherries got better gather rate, at least thats what i heard[/quote]
No it is the same 0.67

Well the guide looks like he HAD TO write a guide for a asian civ, he didn't actually wanted to

Re: The JAM! (by ES_WaCkO_)

Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:34 am
by StrokeyBlofeld
[quote=""Comadevil""][quote=""blayzer13""]cherries got better gather rate, at least thats what i heard[/quote]
No it is the same 0.67

Well the guide looks like he HAD TO write a guide for a asian civ, he didn't actually wanted to[/quote]

Yes it does a bit. I would have expected a lot more from wacko if it is a strat he has devised himself.

Re: The JAM! (by ES_WaCkO_)

Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:27 am
by Navarone_Guy
I suggest against splitting berry bushes and orchards. Vils task on the orchard and stand there, gathering. They don't move around like when hunting or farming. It's best to just go all on orchards, as there is room for a lot of vils and bumping is not an issue.

Re: The JAM! (by ES_WaCkO_)

Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:37 pm
by Comadevil
[quote=""Navarone_Guy""]I suggest against splitting berry bushes and orchards. Vils task on the orchard and stand there, gathering. [/quote]

I also suggest against this especially for players who don't play a lot. If they forget to send the cherry orchards in time when the first cherry orchard(s) is (are) almost used up then u still have the berries as backup and can send ur 2 cherry orchard shipment as next shipment without having no food production

Re: The JAM! (by ES_WaCkO_)

Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:27 pm
by KingKaramazov
Also berries have that annoying bug where idle vills tasked to berries don't show up as idle.

Re: The JAM! (by ES_WaCkO_)

Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 3:09 pm
by I__CHAOS__I
well splitting between both is done by several good players but it wont matter much i guess, do as you like
there is some walking and bumping time, but it's neglectable at low levels

Re: The JAM! (by ES_WaCkO_)

Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 7:21 am
by blayzer13
i wouldnt think the split second of bumping would even make a difference at a higher level